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Why Don't We Know A Bubble When We See One?

N’en déplaise à ces fous nommés sages de Grèce,

En ce monde il n’est point de parfaite sagesse;

Tous les hommes sont fous, et malgré tous leurs soîns

Ne diffèrent entre eux que du plus ou du moins.


Whatever these crazy appointed sages of Greece,

In this world there is no perfect wisdom;

All men are mad, and despite all their care

Differ among themselves as more or less

So reads the somewhat cynical inscription to Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, written in 1841 by Charles Mackay.  It was a book about bubbles.  The first two chapters are about financial bubbles.

Cross-posted at The National Gadfly

The Mississippi Scheme.

In 1717 John Law, a gambler took purchase of a bankrupt company that had claimed property rights over a large swath the Louisiana / Mississippi.  He then curried the favor of the governing body, a regent ill-disposed to hard work and looking for a quick fix to buck up the economy and placate the masses.  Law came up with the idea of speculating on the future wealth that the French territories would yield and he began trading shares of his company, basing value upon those imagined riches. The company stock price skyrocketed but of course the asset value of the company was considerably lower.  In nine months, share prices went from 500 livres to 15,000 livres.

(Gee…doesn’t this sound familiar?)

People were falling all over themselves to get shares of this stock.  The most intelligent, the most reasoned and the most critical of the entire operation found themselves succumbing to the irresistible temptation to invest in this company that was making people money, hand over fist.

The price of shares sometimes rose ten or twenty per cent in the course of a few hours, and many persons in the humbler walks of life, who had risen poor in the morning, went to bed in affluence. An extensive holder of stock, being taken ill, sent his servant to sell two hundred and fifty shares, at eight thousand livres each, the price at which they were then quoted. The servant went, and, on his arrival in the Jardin de Soissons, found that in the interval the price had risen to ten thousand livres. The difference of two thousand livres on the two hundred and fifty shares, amounting to 500,000 livres, or 20,000l. sterling, he very coolly transferred to his own use, and giving the remainder to his master, set out the same evening for another country.

They should have known better.  They did know better and participated anyway because the money was too good.  They would have been fools not to, or so the thinking was at that time.

Two sober, quiet, and philosophic men of letters, M. de la Motte and the Abbé Terrason, congratulated each other, that they, at least, were free from this strange infatuation. A few days afterwards, as the worthy abbé was coming out of the Hôtel de Soissons, whither he had gone to buy shares in the Mississippi, whom should he see but his friend La Motte entering for the same purpose.

“Ha!” said the abbé smiling, “is that you?”

“Yes,” said La Motte, pushing past him as fast as he was able; “and can that be you?”

The government sought to buy up shares because of its own debt issues, while the share price was high.  Then, the company’s creditors bought back the shares from the government with bonds and debt papers (debt-for-equity).  All government debt became property of the company, so shareholders and government climbed into a fictitious economy based on juggled books, projected earnings and debt-as-commodity.

When it all came crashing down, John Law fled the country and they went into a depression.

(Sounding at all familiar?  Anyone?)

The South Seas Bubble. (Yep, they even called it a bubble 167 years ago)

In England, 1711 England and Spain were fighting over South America.  To fund the war, Lord Treasurer Robert Harley established what was on the face, a trading company.  It was really a way to fund the national debt.  They sold shares in the company which was really debt-as-equity and promised investors an annual return plus their original investment when the vast riches of South America arrived. It took longer than projected, so the government decided to issue more shares of debt-as-equity because it seemed like such a good idea the first time.

Eventually, the dispute with Spain was resolved but not in England’s favor.  Only one ship per year was allowed to import to England from South America.  The failed returns on the massive speculative investment caused the economy to crash.  The losses could have been worse, but the company did manage to dabble in slave trading as a secondary line of revenue along this route.

(So…a military-industrial complex that feeds off the population through the government funding is dabbling in human misery as an additional revenue stream in order to keep the bubble from bursting.  God! Does this ever sound familiar?)

These two bubbles happened one after the other, in two countries that are right next to each other.  The first one was even called a bubble.  The scenarios are virtually identical.  The government partners with private industry to convince the country to invest in speculative, future goods in exchange for debt today.  The French had every option to see this coming and still fell for it.

Wow.  It makes me wonder just exactly how old this scam is.

I’ve been thinking about exactly ‘how?’ and ‘why?’ this happens – over and over again.  I have a couple of thoughts.

On the ‘how?’ of it, I think back to something I observed in the Army.  Paperwork.  The Army lives on paperwork.  They have forms for everything, in triplicate.  The Army has been around for centuries, so I would think they should have been the very best at paperwork.  The opposite was true.  It was always screwed up.

‘FUBAR’ (F’d Up Beyond All Recognition) is an Army term that is not about the battlefield.

The problem for the Army is turnover.  Anyone that becomes excellent at something is promoted or reassigned.  Knowledge and wisdom are always walking out the door.  It is like that everywhere, including the economy.

This is why laws exist.  The law is a gift from one generation to those that follow.  Laws are written by a society in crisis, in an attempt to describe and codify a problem.  Society uses language to document the law, agreement to adopt the law and judgement to understand the problem.  The role of law, is to preserve knowledge for those that follow.  In general, the way that a law works is to protect society from its own errors and in specifics to protect society from individuals that would harm others.

In most societies, the law abiding masses take a lot for granted.  We assume that the laws are protecting us.  We assume that our government is looking out for us.  We assume that people who are smarter or richer or more powerful than ourselves are going to watch out for us, lead us and do the right thing.  Every generation further away from the crisis that spurred the creation of the law becomes more and more unaware of the nature or severity of that hazard.  It becomes a piece of minutiae,
no different than an opinion.  I call this the problem of knowledge decay.

The way to counter it is education.  The hard fought lessons of conflict and strife cannot be omitted, glossed over or avoided because they are painful to remember.  This is a problem of people not knowing any better and not being challenged to learn or remember.

Then comes the problem of laziness.  When it comes to government, as a rule people want to ‘set it and forget it’.  We like to think that our part of society ends at the ballot box (if we’re lucky enough to have one).

So, what happens when the people that lived through the crisis that gave birth to the law that would protect society from the crisis repeating are gone and most people really don’t care about or understand the law or the problem?

The very people who the law was meant to protect us from, are always looking for an inroad.  They never let up.  It’s what they do.  They operate by gaining the confidence of people in power.  Government, Armies, Banks and Organized religion.  Their goal is to make themselves rich with no limit to either their gain or society’s loss. They appeal to people’s greed and use it to swindle them.  The public believe because their government is involved, that they are investing in something risk-free.  In fact, it is like a casino in Las Vegas – the odds favor the house.  Only with these bubbles, the losses are much more deadly.

When the swindlers are winning, they are taking money in hand over fist.  When the market collapses, they immediately begin to sow the seeds of doubt in the laws that are raised to prevent the next assault.  Such as the GOP labeling the New Deal as the cause of the Great Depression, calling that statement “an historical fact”.  They are always laying the ground for their next assault upon the wealth of the masses.  Society cycles between vigilance and crisis as we lower and raise our guard, over and over again.

Mackay makes another point, later in the book in the section, POPULAR ADMIRATION OF GREAT THIEVES.  He notes how people rally behind a successful thief, especially one that robs the well-to-do living among masses of the very poor.  If our penchant for ignoring history has brought us to the ruin of yet another bubble, will we also succumb to reveling in the demise of the wealthy at the hands of thieves?  Will we extol the virtues of vigilante financial justice doled out to Wall St. CEO’s that gave themselves billions in bonuses with taxpayer money?

While we are asking ourselves about that, we might consider whether such a zeal for the downfall of others might not have played a part in taking us into the bubble in the first place.  Our worship of thieves, Wall St. ‘raiders’ and corporate mercenaries all plundering society to fill their own pockets.

Prosperity, security and dignity are available when we choose the Golden Rule over the Rule of Gold.

Mackay believed that we’re all mad, differing only in the extent.  Maybe we’re still perfecting the understanding of human nature.  So long as we embrace delusion, we’re going to keep making this mistake.  We need to view the people in government, religion, military and any other position of great power as forever under assault from those that would do society harm.  When we accept a vision of ourselves as hyper vigilant in minding our rulers, then we have a chance.

As we set about the business of writing the laws to solve this crisis for society, we cannot accept the terms of the solution or the framework to understand the problem to come from the people that delivered the disaster to us for their own greed.  That would be a great place to start.



  1. Michelle

    The very people who the law was meant to protect us from, are always looking for an inroad.  They never let up.  It’s what they do.  They operate by gaining the confidence of people in power.  Government, Armies, Banks and Organized religion.  Their goal is to make themselves rich with no limit to either their gain or society’s loss. They appeal to people’s greed and use it to swindle them.

    Constant vigilance.  To me, being progressive means fighting against reactive behavior by being proactive.  Occasionally, laws are created out of overreacting.  Reminds me of a book that I need to read that talks about this idea.  I am too lazy to do code, so please forgive me.

    There’s so much to think about here in this great diary.  Was just chatting with a fellow Moose last night about so much of what you have written, in particular:

    They are always laying the ground for their next assault upon the wealth of the masses.  Society cycles between vigilance and crisis as we lower and raise our guard, over and over again.

    Well said.

  2. louisprandtl

    First a reference for you covering the 90s internet bubble and housing bubble of this decade. I’m sure you already know about this book by the Yale Professor Robert Schiller (his book name is after the two words made famous by Greenspan). The 2nd edition covers the housing bubble and his prediction in 2005 why it will crash

    Robert Schiller: The Irrational Exuberance, Princeton University Press 2000, 2005.


    Secondly the wellknown effect called Contagion Theory. Both bubbles and crashes are magnified by the contagion effect, especially due to the emotional contagion. Here are some papers related to international bubbles ….

    Again an excellent analysis. My hats off to your article…

  3. Another great diary, and you light on something which will have profound repercussions for the next decade – or even longer.

    We assume that the laws are protecting us.  We assume that our government is looking out for us.  We assume that people who are smarter or richer or more powerful than ourselves are going to watch out for us, lead us and do the right thing.

    This cataclysmic debacle has completely blown our belief in the probity and honesty of the financial markets. The deserved opprobrium heaped on the ‘smartest guys in the room’ in the financial world (and unfortunately for all of us they still tend to be guys) will run and run. They screwed up, out of greed, out of herd like idiocy. When it comes to so called financial innovation, the last two years have discredit twenty years of financial laissez faire and globalisation.

    This is only right, but I do fear an over reaction. Financial services, though crucial to money and credit flows, only represent a fraction of the economy (a bigger fraction here in London alas) and we mustn’t assume that the whole car should be scrapped, even if the carburretor has proved to be faulty.  

    I’ve spent my adult life on the left, trying to mitigate the unfairness of capitalism, but I soon realised that my fellow travellers had only a limited sense of how businesses, enterprise and markets work. As academics, students, union members or government employees, they often couldn’t see why the economy shouldn’t be run along similar lines: rewards and merits assessed by philosopher kings could would look at every persons abilities and needs, and distribute income and goods accordingly.

    While reforming and regulating the irrational exuberance of the financial markets, I am worried that this understandable discrediting of the banks goes too far, and sweeps across into other markets which function more fairly and transparently. With my fellow left wingers, I used to rail against ‘capitalism’ too – but the more I looked at it, the less clear it was what people meant by the word (beyond everything that they didn’t like).

    So this is a crucial moment. Decisive actions need to be taken. But with level heads. Of course we could go back to the 30s for those lessons, and in some sense every western Government is taking a Keynesian approach, unlike those of the 30s. That is reassuring. But these things are cyclical, and some sectors are less dysfunctional than others. So let’s be careful of scrapping the whole vehicle lest we build a Trabant in its place.

  4. Kysen

    The first thing that came to mind upon reading this diary was TULIPS.


    Tulip mania or tulipomania (Dutch names include tulpenmanie, tulpomanie, tulpenwoede, tulpengekte, and bollengekte) was a period in the Dutch Golden Age during which contract prices for bulbs of the newly-introduced tulip reached extraordinarily high levels and then suddenly collapsed. At the peak of tulip mania in February 1637, tulip contracts sold for more than 10 times the annual income of a skilled craftsman. It is generally considered the first recorded speculative bubble. The term “tulip mania” is often used metaphorically to refer to any large economic bubble.

    You’d think that 400 years would be enough time to learn a lesson.

    I guess we just like popping bubbles.


    I like Tulips though.

    They’re purty….


  5. Hollede

    I was the Moose Michelle was chatting with the other night. BTW, Michelle is totally cool in RL, go Team Texas and good luck Michelle!!

    We were just talking about this. Not quite so specifically, but in a general sense that there seems to be historic consolidations of wealth and power. Whether it be Chieftains or Kings, Empires or religion, Aristocracy or “meritocracy”; the resources and power and money and authority tends to accumulate into fewer and fewer hands as time goes by. Until someone (or many someones) take it away. I am certain that Marx and Engels got the critique right, but am not at all convinced of their solution.

    However, we do require a new economic (and governance?) paradigm. I wish I knew what that is, but I do believe it is necessary if we are to stop this endless bloody cycle. I come here for clues to what that might be. I am saving “America, It’s Time To Say Goodbye To Wall Street: An Interview With Author David Korten” by Intrepid Liberal Journal for a clearer head. You wore me out Gadfly ;~) And am hoping for serious goodies in that one as well. I do miss Bob’s perspective so often these days, but am not in the habit of looking him up anymore.

    You have provided serious goodies here and I thank you. You are an awesome addition to this remarkable blog.

    Part of my problem is that I find economics about as useful as astrology. Think about it. You can always find generalities that seem to apply in astrology, but we know it really is nonsense. The other problem is, I think I am almost completely ignorant in the art of economics, which may utterly invalidate my first problem. I do look forward to any further instruction.

    Sorry about the scramble ramble. It’s just that, despite all of the fear of the unknown that lies before us, I feel as if we are standing before the gates of change, and that history will view this as the time we either did or could have done. We get to choose.

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