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Updated: Christopher Jordan Dorner Psycho Killer Qu’est-ce que c’est

I’ve lived in So. Cal a long time and actually been subject to the police freaking out over one thing or another, but Christopher Jordan Dorner has put them off the chain and running down the street.  They are scared and stating straight out on television they are, there is one Captain that hasn’t left his home and that’s not a good look in my opinion for law enforcement.

I’m 6 2 and 220 pounds, I look nothing at all like Chris Dorner and I was joking with Sweetie that I was going to get my son in law  to drive me around, but they are shooting at little white guys too!

I first got wind of Dorner as kind of an oh shit.  You know when you hear tell of a gruesome murder now a days, but they are ticking out with such regularity you feel the pain of the event but you’re just numb.  On February 3rd two people got murdered in Irvine.  That was kind of a trip.  Irvine is a private town.  It was the brain child of one man and it is a cookie cutter planned town very homogeneous and extremely safe.  Irvine is as safe as any place in America can be.

Yet there was a young couple Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence gunned down on the roof of the parking structure of their condo complex.…  They had just gotten engaged, and the first things I thought were some bastard must have had issues with their relationship, crime of passion and put it in the list of other crimes I’d check out when there was some sort of resolution.

The next couple of days hit with information that made it sure this incident was not going to be some back burner event.  They think this person is a cop?  He’s dropping pieces of information all over the Southland trying to hijack boats etc, wait a minute he’s black?  Moose at that time I actually thought it was a love thing when I found out concurrently Keith Lawrence was also Black and in law enforcement.  They let it be known then there was a manifesto and I thought it was going to be a love letter an if I can’t have her he can’t either.  The media was describing it universally as “rambling” so I didn’t even bother to read it.

Then all heck breaks loose in So. Cal.

Dorner’s Manifesto http://hiphopandpolitics.wordp… is apparently not an if I can’t have her it’s a declaration of war on the LAPD.  During the night Dorner moves on targets he had outlined shoots one LAPD officer and wounds him in Corona then moves down the road to Riverside and ambushes two Riverside police officers sitting at a red light killing one and severely wounding the other.

During that dark night of the police in terror officers riddle the truck of a pair of ladies who were delivering newspapers to a neighborhood that contained one of Dorner’s targets.  According to their attorney the police didn’t even provide the courtesy of identifying themselves or attempting to make a felony stop.   The Los Angeles Police just opened fire at the Torrance Corral wounding both women one seriously.  Very soon after a young man trying to get some surfing in before work was stopped in a truck that fit the description of Dorner’s only in that it was also a truck and told he could go about his business, moments later he was T-boned by police and his truck shot he thankfully was not hit.

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It was then that I personally decided to crack open the manifesto and then that the initial oh shit I uttered at the death of the couple got capitalized to OH SHIT.  His first words after the obligatory I’m not a bad guy and those who know me are going to sure be shocked.

Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.

I’ve written about my experience surrounding king’s verdict before… but never about Rampart.  To try and unpack all that was behind that is way too difficult in this offering.  Let’s just say the LAPD conspired to frame, rob, brutalize, lie, drug deal, I’m running out of detestable things the people charged with protecting our city did to the citizens of our city.

The southland it’s people of color and probably the rest of the world began to read the manifesto, and the first impression I got is he’s not insane in that he doesn’t know what he’s doing.  He’s perfectly sane in that respect but the goal he has is that of a madman.  It tells the story that way too many people in our country bobbed their heads in understanding with.  A police force that is brutal violent and racist a man who tried to work within the system to fight such abuses and was instead punished for it.

You could see the familiar divisions with the right wing horrified anyone could sympathize with a murderer and whatever other message he might have to be ignored, the other side horrified that our police forces might behave in such a manner as Dorner alleges, and here we are.

There is currently a 1 million dollar bounty on Chris Dorner’s head.  Average reward on the death of regular citizens is 50K in So. Cal.  It’s for capture and conviction thank God or I’d be more afraid to step out of my door than I currently am.  Our law enforcement agencies are catching 600 there is Dorner tips a day, and every brother who looks remotely like LL Cool J, or the father from That’s so Raven is hunkering down or investing in T-shirts that say “I’m Not Chris Dorner Don’t Shoot Me Bro!”.

Difficult questions are floating around with serious implications.  Is taking Dorner’s accusations seriously and investigating negotiating with a terrorist?  They’re calling him a domestic terrorist.  Can a flood of racism make otherwise “Law Abiding “Black” Citizens” snap?  What manner of incompetence has lead flying at citizens who are not Black men.  Doesn’t the Constitution say you’re innocent until proven guilty?  Since when did police decide that on the street and toss in executioner on their job description? Heck I even see numerous tweets calling him Rambro like he’s a hero or something for having stood up to the man, like killing innocent couples and ambushing people is heroic.  Yeah Chris Dorner is going to leave a mark.

Updated 2/13/13 7:42 AM

Chris Dorner is apparently dead.  

A charred human body was found in the rubble of the burned-out cabin where fugitive Chris Dorner was thought to be barricaded, a sheriff’s spokeswoman said late Tuesday.

If the body is that of Dorner, the intense and widespread manhunt for the ex-Los Angeles police officer suspected of going on a killing spree will have come to an end.

“Investigators have located charred human remains within the debris of the burned out cabin,” a San Bernardino County Sheriff-Coroner Department press release said. “Identification will be attempted through forensic means.”…

Our authorities made it a point to discuss how many fearsome police assets were sent up to deal with Chris Dorner, no mention of crisis negotiators or other such non violent means. I believe the police decided not to avail themselves of such things on the first day.  Chris Dorner was a bad man. Soon after cornering him in that cabin after he had shot one and killed another police officer the media was excluded from the area tear gas lobbed into the cabin, and after the subsequent fire one dead man with a hole in his head was found.

I’ve already seen 5 strong conspiracy theories formed around Dorner from he’s not dead to law enforcement planted the fire and didn’t allow him to leave the building giving him the choice between a bullet to his own head and burning to death… you know what as mythbusters would say plausible.  I’ve embeded a scanner recording of the police discussing it in a comment below.

So now that he is dead this would normally be the time to discuss how to prevent such tragedy again.  We would explore the cultural phenomenons that produce such anger and anti social behavior.  I’d like to see that tradition continue with even greater fervor in the Dorner case.  What he said about the LAPD and it’s culture started a great deal of smoke in our Los Angeles, and ususally when there is smoke there is fire.

For some reason I don’t know.  Chris Dorner’s death made me think of this scene.

“Don’t shoot them…let them burn”  Was a war after all eh?


  1. DeniseVelez

    I’ve been sitting here trying to puzzle my way through a whole host of feelings – mostly worry about brothers out there since we all look alike – you know.


    “If you’re an African American man, you could be stopped and questioned,” said San Diego Black Police Officer Association President Sgt. Benjamin Kelso. “There are many people that may look like Chris Dorner, my self-included. If you are stopped and questioned its important to cooperate with officers.”

    I often make the point that many of the rights in that constitution we’re supposed to so revere are very easily taken from those of color.  Now probable cause to be stopped is Black man, perhaps if someone can think of a time when they were just stopping all white men because of a white killer I might feel better.

  3. dear occupant

    was directly across the street from the media and police command post. listening to MSNBC right now, the reporter on air was surveying the cabins along the street, interviewing people and he is staggered that he walked right past where Dorner was hiding.

    pretty amazing stuff.

  4. To address tormentors you become them. His manifesto reads as exactly the opposite approach that I would recommend anyone take, particularly if they have a good cause.

    As a child he responded to verbal abuse with violence. As an officer he regrets not killing other officers in response to their unjust actions. In response to what he perceives as wrongful dismissal of an innocent (himself) he kills other innocents.

    Maybe others with better ability to address challenges will find lessons in all this and there will be some positive changes, but in spite of rather than because of him. Taking his own approach to the issues he claims (and which may well be real) would be to set out with malice aforethought to make them worse.

    Any of us who have dealt with abuse could have become our abusers. Some of us chose not to.  

  5. vile

    The uniform worship in this country is completely out of control. Positively late-Roman.

    Those who do not properly respect the uniform can expect to be burned and even bombed. See Waco, the SLA, MOVE.

    In the 1970s appeared a Clint Eastwood film, The Gauntlet, that was intentionally over the top: in one scene, law jockeys so shoot up a house, containing an allegedly renegade cop, that it collapses. Today, this is not parody, but policy.

    A good compilation of stories of Black Kossacks experiencing the Reality of American law jockeys can be found here:


    I feel your pains!…But you are going about thisthe wrong way. To take innocent lives could never be the answer to anything. I say this as a Man who experienced the same pain, betrayal, anger, suffering, litigation and agony that you did in many ways, Only I didn’t get Fired. I just choose to go a different route. My heart still suffered that same shock, I wasstill left to try and put the pieces back together. The disbelief that people could conspire and cause you to loose something you loved so dearly was still there. I lost my Career, I lost my Family, I lost my Dignity, I lost my Trust…But I am here now to hopefully one day see change…Bro, Don’t kill anymore Innocent people. Your point has been made. Clearly. They know you mean business, The whole world knows. Refrain from any further wrong doing and do what you must to salvage your Soul. Whatever that means to you. Just remember that God is a forgiving God.

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