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Something about Michelle Bachmann liberals have to respect

I might not like Michelle Bachmann- as a Republican, I’m aghast that someone like her could get elected… repeatedly. Aghast, but not surprised. I’m waiting for the day when there’s a moderate (or at least sane) member of the Republican party I can stand behind without seeing them debase themselves by constantly groveling and prostrating themselves to the lowest-effing-common denominator in my party. Lord only knows when that will be.

But as much as I dislike her, her antics, the constant attention she gets, and generally what she stands for, I have to give her credit on one hot button issue- abortion.

From ye old Wikipedia:

“Bachmann and her husband also provided foster care for 23 other children, all teenage girls. The Bachmanns were licensed from 1992 to 2000 to handle up to three foster children at a time; the last child arrived in 1998. The Bachmanns began by providing short-term care for girls with eating disorders who were patients in a program at the University of Minnesota. The Bachmann home was legally defined as a treatment home, with a daily reimbursement rate per child from the state. Some girls stayed a few months, others more than a year.”

This is important- do you know why?

I am personally opposed to abortion. However, unlike most of my ideological compatriots, I think outright making abortion illegal is moronic. I work as an Emergency Department nurse, and so I have seen firsthand the aftereffects of a “home-made” abortion done with women- minors and adults, black and white, from all socioeconomic backgrounds- feel compelled through shame, or legal restrictions, or other reasons, to take matters into their own hands, no pun intended. I’ve also worked in Pediatric Intensive Care, and I’ve seen the sorts of social situations most of my kiddos came from- having parents visit their kids on my floor was the exception, not the rule. And I think that making abortion illegal will be just as effective as making drugs illegal- I mean, when’s the last time you ever heard about a drug problem in this country, amirite?

I’ve got a plan to eliminate abortion in this country. Fund Foster care, Adoption, and Social Services at 200%; free prenatal and postnatal care for all women and children under 300% of the poverty level; public service announcements and a nationwide push and lionizing of foster care and adoption; revamped and effective sexual education programs, and subsidized birth control. Heck, if you really want to compromise, we can leave the last two items off, as they’re wont to be hot button items unlikely to garner a lot of support amongst my compatriots.

Problem is, of course, I’ve yet to meet more than a handful of Republicans that can get to this level. Most of them do a double take and go, “WHAT?!? YOU WANT ME TO SPEND MONEY ON THESE BABIES AFTER THEY’RE BORN?!? BOOTSTRAPS!”

Case in point, I was arguing with a gentleman who made the lovingly trollish point in response to my plan:

Family planning? How many abortions do you think occur because birth control was unavailable? 5% maybe? There is nothing stopping people from giving kids up for adoption and the more that are given up the more funding will come. Foster care would not be burdened and abortion clinics would not have full dumpsters out back if people just accepted some responsibility and stopped treating pregnancy as a minor inconvienence.

I do not judge someone who makes a mistake and makes a very painful decision, but it does not end there. I know you cannot trust statistics but suffice to say there are too many abortions performed AGAIN because the shame was non existant the first time around.

This is really a matter of personal responsibility.

Got that, folks? The current social supports we have are more than sufficient, people are getting abortions because they’re convenient and shame-free, and really, it’s all about “personal responsibility”. What a joke. This guy’s so far in the closet on this issue, he’s in Narnia.

Michelle Bachmann, more likely than not, resides closer to this chucklehead on the issue of abortion than to me; no doubt about that. However, as I noted above, take a look- she’s actually farking doing something about it. She and her husband fostered twenty-three kids! How many of the people that protest outside Planned Parenthood have adopted as many kids as they can possibly support? How many legislators railing against the evils of abortion are foster parents, or volunteer with social services? How many of them donate their time and money to making sure at-risk women get the prenatal healthcare and physical and emotional support they need to make it through a pregnancy?

Oh, wait- that’s right. Pregnancy’s just an “inconvenience”.

But hey, whatever else Michelle Bachmann might get wrong, she at least has that one thing right- unlike most of her ideological colleagues, she’s at least actually farking doing something other than legislative grandstanding or wailing incoherently.

And that’s something we need to give her kudos for.


43 comments

  1. jsfox

    there is nothing and I do mean nothing I respect about Michelle Bachmann. I am not even sure I respect her fostering of young girls given her religious and ideological beliefs. I shudder to think the lies and mis-information these girls were told as fact.

  2. Why not take a book out of the Republican playbook and turn this against her, like they did with the military service of Max Cleland and John Kerry? Oh, that’s right. We’re supposed to be the good guys.

  3. I’ve got a plan to eliminate abortion in this country. Fund Foster care, Adoption, and Social Services at 200%; free prenatal and postnatal care for all women and children under 300% of the poverty level; public service announcements and a nationwide push and lionizing of foster care and adoption; revamped and effective sexual education programs, and subsidized birth control. Heck, if you really want to compromise, we can leave the last two items off, as they’re wont to be hot button items unlikely to garner a lot of support amongst my compatriots.

    Let’s leave out the two most effective way of reducing abortions. What’s left to compromise on? The right would ‘compromise’ by agreeing to help pregnant women during a pregnancy they are forced to endure?

  4. sricki

    Honestly, Rage. There is no reason on this planet that I HAVE to respect ANYONE.

    Most especially the likes of Michelle Bachmann.

  5. spacemanspiff

    … in the same area for years.

    I work as an Emergency Department nurse, and so I have seen firsthand the aftereffects of a “home-made” abortion done with women- minors and adults, black and white, from all socioeconomic backgrounds- feel compelled through shame, or legal restrictions, or other reasons, to take matters into their own hands, no pun intended.

    I’ve lived and worked in a country where abortions are illegal and seeing the things we see will make anybody who is against abortion change their mind (if they care about women at all). Of all the Moose I think I’m closest to you when it comes to abortions in the fact that I am against abortions after 6/7 months and on a case to case basis. Some peeps believe a woman has the choice to get a late term abortion, but that is where I draw the line. If the woman had months to make a smart choice and put it off for whatever reason, a person (they already can live outside the womb, very little chance of most making it but it is plausible) can hold off for at least 2 months (again, case by case basis) to give this baby a chance.

    But that is not what I wanted to comment on.

    I stopped reading this post after this.

    I’ve got a plan to eliminate abortion in this country. Fund Foster care, Adoption, and Social Services at 200%; free prenatal and postnatal care for all women and children under 300% of the poverty level; public service announcements and a nationwide push and lionizing of foster care and adoption; revamped and effective sexual education programs, and subsidized birth control.

    Women don’t want to have babies for all kinds of reasons and believing they will think twice if there is somebody around to take care of them is, well, not very smart. As somebody who works in the same field as you I would think you would be smarter about the mental and emotional toll pregnancy can take on a woman and why throwing money or love at the problem will not resolve anything. I will not continue writing because I really like you and don’t want to come off the wrong way. Don’t miss the forest for the trees bro.

    You have the right to have this opinion but I have the right to be offended by it.

  6. HappyinVT

    firestorm breaks out.  :)

    My .02 cents.  I can give Bachmann a bit of credit for this.  Absent any evidence of some kind of agenda on their part I have to give her the benefit of the doubt; apparently, she is quite to advocate for foster parenting as well.

    If she did have some kind of agenda she might have been doing it wrong as well.  My understanding is that most if not all of the foster kids were very short-term some even overnight.  Hardly time to whip the Jesus into, or the gay out, of them.

    However, the larger issue isn’t really the Bachmann family but foster parenting in general.  I’ve thought about it but given the lack of job stability in the newspaper industry (and the size of my second bedroom) I’m not currently in the position to take in a child.  But I’m not sure there is or should be a correlation between foster/adoptive parents and abortion.  It comes down, to me, about what the birth mother should be allowed to do with her own body (and life).  When we have lawmakers telling any woman that she must carry a child from rape or incest because it isn’t the child’s fault something is wrong.  When a woman in Idaho faces jail time and/or a fine because she had an abortion because she couldn’t afford the medical care of another pregnancy something is wrong.

    Those are the issues I have with someone like Michele Bachmann.  And those issues are separate from the credit I give her for taking in foster children.

  7. scribe

    This old liberal will NEVER extend any respect to the likes of a Bachmann or any other religious zealot control freaks determined to force their hateful judgments and bigotry down every elses throat, all “in the name of God” of course.  I paid a very high cost for being raised by people just like these.  

  8. lojasmo

    In the event of an unwanted pregnancy, carrying to term is much less safe than an early pregnancy abortion.  It is also more financially stressful.

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