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Since 2008 – Progress Through Politics

Not much of a diary, but I thought I would share

When Rachel Maddow’s show broke on the scene a few weeks ago, I was hooked.  I really like Rachel and her wit and miss listening to Air America (note:  here in my city, they replaced it over a year ago with a Spanish speaking disco station….)

I was talking with my mom, who is in her eighties, about the election one night on the phone.   She lives in another state, so we talk at least once a week and we talk a lot about politics.  She loathes republicans.  She doesn’t see too many redeeming qualities in them and rails against one-issue voters.

She had mentioned watching CNN and Campbell Brown and then Larry King.  Larry King???  Ok, maybe my mom doesn’t really know about MSNBC.  CNN has been a mainstay in her household since it came on the air and she got cable many years ago.

I mentioned that instead of watching King, to turn to MSNBC and catch Rachel.  She did.  When we next spoke, a few days later, she told me that she really LIKED Rachel.  What a smart woman!  Talks a little fast, but really enjoyed the “talk down” segment – that is the “Talk Me Down” segment.   Give my mom a break – she speaks 4 languages and she didn’t learn English until she was 37 years old.

Then I got a pleasant surprise – my mom mentioned Keith!!  She tuned into Rachel a few minutes early that first night and caught the tail end of Olbermann’s show.  She liked what she heard and now watches, back to back, Countdown and Rachel 🙂

My mom is so cute – she kept raving on them and calling them “good DEMOCRATS!!”  I guess age has no limit for good progressive reporting.  She is now on first name basis with both of them – Keith and Rachel.  Gotta love it.

Why am I writing this diary?  Well, you may know of an older relative, who is liberal, but isn’t aware of Countdown or Rachel’s shows.  Or maybe you think they wouldn’t be interested.

But if they are anything like my mom – tell ’em.  She was so disappointed to find out that those shows don’t air on Saturday and Sunday – that is how hooked she is.

This is just a feel-good diary for me.  I am so proud of my mom, who raised me to be a “good DEMOCRAT”.

BTW:  She loves Joe Biden and mocked Palin’s performance last night.  She cannot wait to vote for Obama/Biden.    

Brilliant move by Couric

Side by side Veep candidates take on Roe V Wade and the Separation of Church and State:

First up:


Because it’s as close to a consensus that can exist in a society as heterogeneous as ours. What does it say? It says in the first three months that decision should be left to the woman. And the second three months, where Roe v. Wade says, well then the state, the government has a role, along with the women’s health, they have a right to have some impact on that. And the third three months they say the weight of the government’s input is on the fetus being carried.

And so that’s sort of reflected as close as anybody is ever going to get in this heterogeneous, this multicultural society of religious people as to some sort of, not consensus, but as close it gets.

I think the liberty clause of the 14th Amendment … offers a right to privacy. Now that’s one of the big debates that I have with my conservative scholar friends, that they say, you know, unless a right is enumerated – unless it’s actually, unless [it] uses the word “privacy” in the Constitution – then no such “constitutional right” exists. Well, I think people have an inherent right.

No big surprise.  Most Americans do feel this way – they may not like abortion (hey, who does?) but they understand that their viewpoint and situation is the same across the board.

Now Palin’s take:

Couric Why, in your view, is Roe v. Wade a bad decision?

Sarah Palin: I think it should be a states’ issue not a federal government-mandated, mandating yes or no on such an important issue. I’m, in that sense, a federalist, where I believe that states should have more say in the laws of their lands and individual areas. Now, foundationally, also, though, it’s no secret that I’m pro-life that I believe in a culture of life is very important for this country. Personally that’s what I would like to see, um, further embraced by America.

Couric: Do you think there’s an inherent right to privacy in the Constitution?

Palin: I do. Yeah, I do.

Couric: The cornerstone of Roe v. Wade.

Palin: I do. And I believe that individual states can best handle what the people within the different constituencies in the 50 states would like to see their will ushered in an issue like that.

Well, Gov. Palin, if there is an inherent right to privacy in the Constitution, why does it belong at the state level?  I believe Couric was referring to the U.S. Constitution, not Alaska’s Constitution.

And of course, the now infamous “I cannot remember any decision the Supreme Court has made other than Roe V Wade” stance:

Couric: What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?

Palin: Well, let’s see. There’s, of course in the great history of America there have been rulings, that’s never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but …

Couric: Can you think of any?

Palin: Well, I could think of … any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But, you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a vice president, if I’m so privileged to serve, wouldn’t be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today.

Watch CBS Videos Online…

On to the Separation of Church and State:

Katie Couric: Thomas Jefferson wrote about the First Amendment, building a wall of separation between church and state. Why do you think that’s so important?

Sarah Palin: His intention in expressing that was so that government did not mandate a religion on people. And Thomas Jefferson also said never underestimate the wisdom of the people. And the wisdom of the people, I think in this issue is that people have the right and the ability and the desire to express their own religious views, be it a very personal level, which is why I choose to express my faith, or in a more public forum.

And the wisdom of the people, thankfully, engrained in the foundation of our country, is so extremely important. And Thomas Jefferson wanted to protect that.

Not bad.  But IMHO, it doesn’t really answer the question.  I don’t care about how Palin expresses her faith or beliefs.  I want to know why it was important.

Now Biden, much better – looking at it from a historical standpoint and why it is important to continue to be a nation of secular laws:

Biden: The best way to look at it is look the every state where the wall’s not built. Look at every country in the world where religion is able to impact … the governance. Almost every one of those countries are in real turmoil.

Look, the founders were pretty smart. They had gone through, you know, several hundred years of wars – religious wars. And they were in the midst of religious wars in Europe. And they figured it out: The best way to do this is to keep the government out of religion. They took religion out of government. But they didn’t mean religion couldn’t be in a public place, in the public square.

Watch CBS Videos Online…

War Crimes….Not that anyone cares anymore

Crossposted at mydd

so now that we have the election season in full swing and political stunts by the “Grand Ol’ Party” with McCain trying to hit the “reset” button every 2 days, I know this will get buried.

But it shouldn’t.  Because the GWB administration will be continued with a McCain administration, if the republicans win.  Because McCain USED to be honorable and was against torture, but now he is for it.

War Crimes.  The LA Times reports:

Her written statement to Senate investigators is the first official high-level acknowledgment of meetings that led to harsh methods such as waterboarding.

By Greg Miller, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 25, 2008

WASHINGTON — Senior Bush administration officials held a series of meetings in the White House in 2002 and 2003 to discuss allowing the CIA to use harsh interrogation methods on Al Qaeda detainees, according to a written statement Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice recently provided to Senate investigators.

Rice’s written response to investigators on the Senate Armed Services Committee marks the first time a high-ranking White House official has formally acknowledged the White House discussions, which led to the CIA’s use of waterboarding and other coercive methods.

Did Bush and Cheney know?  Well, the buck has to stop somewhere, but Rice refuses to disclose who attended those meetings.

Rice did not disclose who at the meetings, but said that she had “asked Atty. Gen. [John] Ashcroft personally to review and confirm the legal advice” being prepared by the Department of Justice on the CIA’s interrogation plans.

Other senior officials who routinely attended so-called principals meetings included then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld; Alberto R. Gonzales, then the presidential counsel; and David S. Addington, the vice president’s counsel.

What a sad day in America.  Where was this story in any lead-off in the news cycle today?  Will it be tomorrow?  I guess I can’t fault McCain for not being able to multi-task when our own MSM cannot seem to do the same thing.  Rachel Maddow, as far as I know, was the only one to mention this tonight – but it was buried near the end of her show and only for 5 minutes.

War Crimes.  And we won’t do a damn thing about it.  This administration is getting away with it all and because these types of stories are buried, we might (although I think not and hope not, as I believe Obama/Biden will win) have another 4 years of this type of behavior under McCain/Palin.




McCain will be at the debate tonight.  And I hope the moderator asks him about this – because Rice admitted to it, in a written statement.

Senator McCain, will you form legal actions according to the Geneva Convention, to hold the GWB administration accountable for War Crimes?

now that is a question I want to hear.  And that is what the MSM should be asking.