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Education issues 101

I originally wrote this as a comment in my other diary, wanting to get off the issue of whether or not POTUS should be more or less involved in WI.

But then I decided it needs a diary, not just a comment.

So this is about educators, and even though I know ALL public employees are involved in WI, I have never been anything but a teacher (but I support ALL of them).  For forty years I have taught, mostly sixth grade, but at some point or another I did K through college, classroom to specialist in the media center, an MA in ed tech, an MA equivalent in Counseling and 100 credits above those degrees.  I am now retired but still sub.  Education is my expertise as well as my passion.

So I want to address the hot potato issue of tenure which seems to irritate many, even on the left.

This AM I am watching CNN and Ali Velshi(sp), seemingly on the surface pretty fair minded, is talking with Randi Weingarten (leader of AFT).  

She did a good job of pointing out the false equivalency of “tenure keeps bad teachers.”

I could write a book in this.  But I won’t. 8)

However I want to give some food for thought here.  Too many simplify this issue.  I will start with something that while not a factual, unemotional point (bad for bargaining but good for others to understand who I am ideology wise).

*****’It’s better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man be wrongly convicted’  All of us who believe in social justice know this tenet.  On some level, humans got it. With flawed human beings, mistakes can be made.  But if we are truly to have justice, we must always err on the side of protecting the innocent.

What does this have to do with teachers/tenure?

Tenure protects way more innocent teachers than it protects guilty ones.  Why do teachers need protection?   From whom?   Political school boards. Bullies in the form of administrators, and even some parents.  When I was a young teacher, only in my third year, my teammate across the hall, was a man not much older than I was.  He was a very mild mannered male teacher, a poet, actually.  He even had a book published.  Tall, thin, soft spoken, he had gone skiing and at the time of this incident, he was on crutches.  It was right after lunch.  Suddenly half his class was up screaming, running into my room.  A parent, a rather large woman, came into his room, walked up to him, and punched him in the face.   Because of his crutches and his unsuspecting nature, he did not expect this and went down hard on the floor.  By then the office had called the police, the cowardly principal was slowly making his way to the room when the parent was leaving.  

Anyway, she accused him of slapping her daughter.  The child was lying, had been in a fight with another kid and when questioned, lied and said it was the teacher.  The kid was probably angry at the teacher who had punished both kids for the fight or was afraid of getting in trouble with Mom.  Had it not been for the union, for the lawyers, that teacher could have/would have had huge legal legal bills for what?  Being a teacher…

he was questioned by administrators, cops, school board.  No innocent until proven guilty….

At that same school, I myself had parents so angry at me one night (are you ready for this), because I had the kids break their crayons, take off the paper for an art project where they use the side of the crayon.  It was after school (no kids in the room) but she took the “broken crayons” out of her son’s desk and threw them across the room.  Think of the “no more wire hangers” scene in Mommy dearest, and put in “no more broken crayons.”  Inside I was quite frightened, but calmly said, “Well, I can buy him new crayons.”   In the end, it worked our and I did not need a strong principal or the union, but had I reacted to her anger with anger, things may have been different.

When one has a weak administrator, or an administrator who does not have the right skills,  dealing with crazed parents could lose teachers jobs, or money.  Legal protection is a huge part of the union along with tenure.

I could spend days on how teachers have had to deal, without saying a word, with angry, sometimes scary parents.

There are MOSTLY WONDERFUL supportive parents in most of my stories, but honestly just a few times of being cursed at, called names, or threatened can do a young teacher in if there is no support.  

Administrators have been known to go after teachers for their political views. It was quite common before union.  When I transferred to a new school in 1983, the principal there told his secretary (now a close friend) that he was concerned that I was a “hippie troublemaker.  He had to take me because I went to my union and wanted out of my old school because of that principal.  As you can tell I am outspoken and an activist.  In the old school they were trying a new program: mainstreaming kids who were at the time labeled E/L (emotionally/learning disabled).  This could include kids who had been abused and were really angry; kids who set fires, who generally had difficulty in a regular ed setting.  They had been grouped in special ed classes and now “mainstream” was the way to go.  I was teaching sixth grade, and none of my teammates was happy.  In the end, all five of the sixth grade EL kids were in my room.  WHY?  Ms T (an award winning teacher in the mind of our principal was so rigid, so strict, the spec ed teachers feared her anger issues would hurt these kids).  Mr. K was a traditional teacher who did not believe in mainstreaming.  And M. S was in the middle of divorce and could barely keep it together.  So I got all the kids and a promise of support from spec ed and counseling. I did it for two years.  That last year, I applied to teach summer school. I was paying for an MA degree and needed extra money.  Summer school then was ONLY for special ed kids.  My principal was in charge.  He would not hire me because, he said, I did not have a special ed degree.  He wanted special teachers. I reminded him I had five special ed kids in my class daily for the last two years.  He stood his ground. I was angry…I wanted out. I demanded the district move me or I would go union on them.  So they did.

Apparently old principal told new principal I was a trouble maker.  Never explained what really happened.   So I am at the new school, and one night I go to a PEACE demonstration. It was small but the news was there and of course I was on the NEWS.   The next day, some teacher friends warned me that they had seen me on the news and to look out for the principal, a right winger religious zealot type.   I told them, knowing one of them would relay the message,“Bring it on.  I will go to CSEA, CEA and NEA.  I have a right to be a citizen.”  Never heard a word.  He retired that year. 8)

One more thing, in this long writing, in case anyone is reading it, this “experience, longevity” that the private sector so resents is important.  We all KNOW it has been used in the private sector to save money.  I know of 55 year olds who have been shoved out, NOT because they were inefficient or bad, but because they cost too much.   Balancing a budget by taking away jobs of long time employees is just, imo, immoral.  The assumption is that “old  are not as good as young” is being played in some places.  Where’s the proof?  In the private sector, seemingly there are little or no protection except an ageism lawsuit.  Costly and no guarantee.

With education, evaluation is not cut and dried.   The teacher I mentioned above, who would not handle E/L kids because she was so strict, so prone to anger, won awards. In the minds of s
ome in our society, a quiet, well disciplined, nose the grindstone, classroom is great.  I disagree.  I don’t like the “boot camp” mentality but some believe it is good for some kids.  On the other hand, some people assume if a classroom is noisy, or kids are not sitting in rows and on task at all times, there is no learning.  Not necessarily so.

I believe a great classroom is a combination of “sage on the stage” and “guide on the side.”  It is no easy task allowing students the freedom to think their own thoughts, disagree with the adults, be loud and have fun and accept that there is learning.  I believe it takes years for teachers to gain the confidence and the skills to do it well.   I had a gal come in from the university here to be my student teacher. As the process works, she had weeks of observing and building up to taking over the classroom on her own.  At the time, I had been doing an integrated unit using Voyage of the Mimi.  We studied whales, had learning centers and activities that included everything from math to science to reading to social studies to writing.  The study of Humpback whales was the enticement, but we learned, all of us including me, about so much.

One of my students wrote me years later to tell me he had become a marine biologist because of sixth grade.  
 Anyway, that kind of teaching requires a lot of up front organizing, and you must have command of the classroom without it showing at all.  My student teacher’s first day alone overwhelmed her.  After school she was almost in tears and told me, “You made it look so easy.”  I calmly told her it was, for me, because by then I had been teaching for nearly 20 years.  And that it would get easier for her.

So there is, imo, a problem with meritocracy for education  Teaching is more of an art than a science.  And it takes time to be a truly magnificent teacher.  I always had an intuitive talent for teaching, but I KNOW this. I was much better after 15 years than I was in the beginning.  

Also, no one way works for all teachers.  I could no more be a strict boot camp type than that other teacher could be me.  My best friend and teammate from another school, now deceased, was fantastic.  She was way funnier than I was (she was like a stand up comedian at times in teaching) and yet she was much stricter than I was. I believe both of us were good, and so did our students.  One size does not fit all with either students or teachers.  In fact, the difference in teachers (their style, their humor, or lack thereof, their diversity) are a plus for a diverse student population.  This is why, imo, meritocracy will not work well in education, and losing tenure will  leave a clear path to abusing the system and firing experienced teachers to save money.  

As long as we play the meritocracy game in things like public ed, public prisons, public services of any kind, abuse is inevitable.  Just look at the privatized juvenile prisons in PA.


51 comments

  1. There’s:

    1.  Go union-busting because that’s just what the Ruling Class loves

    2.  Indulge the mass culture’s contempt for the educated, those book-larnin smartasses

    3.  Save money by gutting those least able to fight back, and nonunion folks are easy targets

    4.  Play on the memories that everyone has of that one bad teacher; generalize the resentment to all teachers

    5.  Demonize all public employees as useless leeches overpaid for doing nothing

    And on and on and on.  All that you wrote so eloquently of is playing out in an arena increasingly hostile to excellence and social justice.

  2. fogiv

    I could write a book in this.  But I won’t.

    Why the hell not? Heh.

    I guess I don’t understand why anyone has a beef with tenure. Isn’t most stuff ‘tenure-track’ anyway, meaning that tenure is actually earned based on performance / peer review? Besides, I’m pretty sure tenure is probably always subject to revocation for cause, right?

    Why does ‘tenure’ freak people out so much? Is it just that they don’t know what it is, or how it works? Honestly, I don’t get it.  

  3. Jjc2008

    trying to keep my BP down.  Gates is spinning, which is what most reformers do.  SPIN, SPIN, SPIN.  

    He and others like him refuse to acknowledge reality.

    While it is true that great teachers have great impacts, and I do agree we have to work to get great teachers to join the profession, want to stay and choose to work in the poorest neighborhoods, his whole piece assumes “test scores” are the the mark of achievement.  To him and those like him, “results” mean test scores.

    When W bragged on how great TX did under his reforms, thus getting others to buy into NCLB, it was all about test scores.  It was not until years later when the truth came out. Many teachers, fearing repercussions (loss of jobs) did not say much.   But several did later…to the organizations the right wing calls “unions.”  Little of it got any media play for the same reasons we all know….the corporations love the right.  And BIG money was involved in W’s game.  I don’t have all the links any more, but I do remember this: many of the text books developed with their scripted teaching, were pushed by K12 Inc (connected to people like Bill Bennet).  As well there was much cheating in TX…..word of mouth, teacher to teacher, is like any industry grapevine.  Kids in TX were urged to drop out before the tests came around.   And there was cheating pure and simple.

    But there are a few places where you can still read about the corruption, the money to be made, the politics behind all of the so called proof that Education is a failure as people like the Gates like to use.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/

    This is part 10 but if you go to the bottom the whole series is there.

    Also this one on Dibels……

    http://www.schoolsmatter.info/

    For those of you who do not know what Dibels is, it is a test….given K thru 5 (perhaps it goes farther but my experience with it has been in elementary).  Talk about captured consumers.

    First of all, there was much pressure on districts to use this as it is “scientific.”  That itself is laughable.  But ALL teachers have to be “trained”  which means the company gets money not only for the materials but also for the “training.”  Now a few years back (like 2007 or so) and I was teaming with the special ed teacher.  Her job not only included teaching special students but also she was required to do all the Dibels testing for K and grade 1.  The reason is that Dibels is a one on one test.  In order for it to be “valid” it must be done in a quiet space (as in not in class).  Because of the nature of very young children, the test takes at least 20 minutes per student…..not including getting them, taking them to another room, putting them at ease.  If your school is considered underperforming, this test must be done every quarter.  Any one who has worked with young children know that testing is not easy with them and harder when it is in a new setting with a new person.   In the beginning, the districts thought that they could just bring in subs and have the teachers all do it.  Of course, that costs money.  Then they said teachers could “donate” a sick day.  That did not fly.

    In the end schools opted to have their special teachers trained and do much of it.  Since the other special ed teacher was on pregnancy leave during the “window” in which the testing MUST TAKE place I offered to do it.  Now this special ed teacher was so overwhelmed, she decided she could train me (the district would never pay for such a training of a sub).  Honestly, it took me all of five minutes to understand how to administer this test, even though the company requires a half day training for all teachers.  And it tells nothing a good teacher did not already know.  But hey, it’s the law.  NCLB.  Honestly it’s a rip off.  And there are companies that make all kinds of “practice” tests for the state tests for NCLB.  No Dibels is not the official state test.  In CO our state test is called CSAP.   We can buy, for practice, test booklets that have tests that look just like CSAP.   When you use these, scores can and do go up.  BUT, that does not mean learning happened.

    It reminds me of my schooling in catholic schools back in the 1950s and 1960s.  We tested quarterly for the diocese.   Schools in the diocese were rated on these diocese tests.  Every catholic school child in the city/suburbs of Philadelphia took the same tests.   Before the tests, every year, our nuns got the tests from the year before and we practiced over and over and over and over.   For a kid like me, it made it easy. I am a strong auditory/visual learner.  So I always scored well.  In fact I was the high score in both Math and Language arts.  The Language Art transferred to other tests so in college I was put in advanced classes (which I dropped out of).  Most of it was based on SKILLS, not critical thinking.  While I could use punctuation and spell like an expert, and diagram any sentence you gave me, I had no freaking clue how to write a paper, do research, form an opinion based on facts.  

    Anyway, I have probably gone off track.  Again!

    But what the Gates and so many proponents fail to acknowledge are these things:

    *A child can have a high IQ/ability no matter where they live or how poor they are.  However if they do not go to school daily or if they are distracted or hungry or (in older grades) stoned when there, learning does not happen.  One of the most frustrating things I experienced when I worked in the poverty prone areas were the “attendance” issues.  One of my best sweetest kids used to miss a lot, and often fell asleep.  WHY?  Mom had four other kids, younger than her, and J often was kept home to babysit, or was up all night with Mom’s baby.

    ** Charter schools can work in poor neighborhoods because IF the parent or the child cares enough to get a child to another school, to meet the demands of that school, that child already has an advantage.  But what about the kids left behind? Reality is this: those other kids who have no parental support, who has no one saying they must go to school, still matter and are still in public school.

    **Unlike public schools, private charter schools are not madated for things public schools must do. While some charters claim to take special needs children, the ones here do not.

    For example, S is a sweet kid in the school were I sub. He has a thing called San Fillopo syndrome.

    http://www.umm.edu/ency/articl

    He is in fourth grade, has no language, needs his diapers changed.  He has the worst of this syndrome and will probably die in his teens.  S is like a seven month old baby in a nine year old body.  He requires a one-on-one aide at all times; in public school regardless of the need, we legally must serve every child. I do not think that is a bad thing.  But S is just one example and I can give you more examples of having children with extreme needs, from  autism to Down’s syndrome to hydrocephalus in my classroom.  Just recently when I subbed, I had A, a sweet little girl in third grade in the ELL program (English Language Leaner).  A’s parents and grandparents all spoke Spanish as a first language, although the parents also spoke English well.  But she qualified.  As well, A is a Down’s syndrome child.  The NCLB law requires she takes the test for ELL students if they are not taking CSAP.  So it required a teacher who is “trained” to administer the test (they would not pay to train me, although I could easily gi
    ve it)
    to leave her school and come to my school to test the ELL students there.  Because A was more apprehensive with strangers, I would sit with her, along with the Social Worker who she knows.  It took three adults to test one child, although I could have told them she would not be able to get past the first page which was essentially picking out pictures to answer a question from the tester.  

    But still……

    What Mr. Gates and others do not ever address is the notion that ALL children are included; Mr. Gates seems to think all children fit in some category of ready and willing to learn if only they have a great teachers.  Even great teachers will tell you that there is a lot of work behind what anyone can observes.  And still there are no guarantees on a test……

  4. DTOzone

    We talked last week about how people who aren’t in public unions should be looking at them and saying “Gee, we should all have that” instead of “they don’t deserve it.”

    I used that argument on someone on Balloon Juice. Here’s what I said.

    So here’s a good question, why isn’t the self-employed businessman, hairdrezser or store clerk saying “you know what, they’re right, and I deserve that too, we all do, I want a union”

    Why is it the middle class just accepts that they have to live paycheck to paycheck and gets mad at anyone who has the ability to challenge that? They’re pinning hairdressers and store clerks against cops and teachers while they rake in the profits. Why can you not see this?

    Here’s what she said.

    WTF? Who’m I going to organize against? Myself? Pleeeeze. Have you ever run a business? The money comes from your (hopefully) satisfied customers, not from some mythical pot in the sky that you get magic access to when you get the self-employed badge and bumper sticker. Being self-employed, you also get to pay double FICA taxes and get screwed on rates for health insurance, at least until you get big enough to get Blue Cross’s attention. The trade-off is that you don’t have to listen to some asshole (except the one in the mirror) tell you what to do. Those of us who are maladjusted like it better that way.

    Organize? Yeah, tell that to my friends whose businesses went under in the last few years. One of them paid into the unemployment fund for himself, so he’s OK for another couple of months. The others didn’t so they are on their asses. They’d love to be complaining about a small rise in their co-pays.

    Yes, tax the rich. A lot more. But ‘splain how the heck this organized business owner union would work. Maybe we could go on strike against our customers and employees?

    Mzybe the problem is more people are or aspire to be in the same league as greedy CEOs instead of unionized public workers.

  5. Jjc2008

    don’t want unions…..and frankly most SMALL businesses don’t need them, nor do their workers.  Over the long haul, way back when, unions who negotiated wages and salaries for their members who worked for the larger corporations usually set rates for others.  Not quite as high or good but close enough for workers to stay in a small business and not be tempted to go elsewhere.

    Same things with smaller districts. In this area, the district (from which I retired) is the only one with collective bargaining….unless you go forty miles to Pueblo (a union town) or to Denver.  So when we (the teachers here) negotiated for salaries, those districts watched closely and kept their salary and benefit packages as close as possible.

    That kept their teachers there and it kept them from banging the drum roll to demand collective bargaining.

    I know Mom and Pop businesses don’t have union workers.  But that has not saved them from being killed by Walmart and the other big box stores.  Unions are not what killed small businesses…….and we all know it.

  6. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/201

    WASHINGTON – U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan and a group of Democratic senators this morning embraced a slate of education reforms that move away from rigid testing and toward flexibility for local school districts.

    Part of the push is to re-vamp No Child Left Behind, the landmark Bush-era legislation that focused on closing the achievement gap for minority children, but also has been lambasted by parents and educators as too narrowly focused on testing.

    “I’ve heard for years from principals and teachers that this does not work,” said U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan, a North Carolina Democrat who, along with U.S. Sen. Michael Bennet of Colorado, helped lead the effort to develop the principles. “The stale arguments of yesterday are impeding change, and the same-old, same-old is too late.”

    Hagan said new legislation must encourage all progress – recognizing, for example, when a teacher helps a 5th grader, for example, move up from a 3rd-grade reading level to a 4th-grade reading level.

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